Anti-religious Hate Sells for Alternet

It would be a hard determination to make that it is the biggest one, but it's my impression that the often useful news accumulator site Alternet is a major non-specialist source of anti-religious hate-talk on the left.   I am only a casual reader of it but I don't recall a single time I've gone there when what can only be called anti-religious hate talk doesn't figure on its front page.   Today's carries one of Amanda Marcotte's anti-religious rants, "How Christian Delusions Are Driving the GOP Insane."  As is generally the case with Marcotte, her post may carry a germ which might bump against something real,  but she reduces a complicated issue into a convenient factoid of her typical anti-religious invective. This, part, in particular is just plain distortion and crappy journalistic practice

Pew Research shows that people who align with the Tea Party are more likely to not only agree with the views of religious conservatives, but are likely to cite religious belief as their prime motivation for their political views.  White evangelicals are the religious group most likely to approve of the Tea Party. Looking over the data, it becomes evident that the “Tea Party” is just a new name for the same old white fundamentalists who would rather burn this country to the ground than share it with everyone else,...

Apparently, from the comments I could take reading, not many people followed up on the link to Pew, because here is what the article said on that topic:

The analysis shows that most people who agree with the religious right also support the Tea Party. But support for the Tea Party is not synonymous with support for the religious right. An August 2010 poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that nearly half of Tea Party supporters (46%) had not heard of or did not have an opinion about “the conservative Christian movement sometimes known as the religious right”; 42% said they agree with the conservative Christian movement and roughly one-in-ten (11%) said they disagree.3 More generally, the August poll found greater familiarity with and support for the Tea Party movement (86% of registered voters had heard at least a little about it at the time and 27% expressed agreement with it) than for the conservative Christian movement (64% had heard of it and 16% expressed support for it).

Let me point this sentence in what Pew said, again

But support for the Tea Party is notsynonymous with support for the religious right.

The article Marcotte claimed as supporting her theme, contradicts it.   I have long suspected that the decrease in reading comprehension might account for a good part of the atheism fad as well as the fall of journalism,  people who are attracted by hate talk aren't much different from those attracted to other forms of stereotype based hate.   I've had my problems with Marcotte and false representations of what I wrote, just over seven years ago.  As is generally my experience with her,  she won't correct herself no matter how obvious the misrepresentation is.   That has been my experience when I was misrepresented by atheists.  Why that should be the case is something I won't speculate on but it has been my experience.

And it seems to have worked for Marcotte, other than that incident when the Edwards campaign dumped her as a campaign blogger when the early and less genteely espressed hate talk in her archive was used to embarrass them, Marcotte has benefited from the attention that her hate talk has gained for her.  She appears regularly atAlternet and more occasionally on other sites that are definitely a step up from Pandagon, where I first encountered her.  I even recall Rachel Maddow had her on once, in her more recent, cleaned up style.  If it were Jews or Muslims who were the focus of her hate talk instead of Christians, that would not have happened. 

An important clue to why she and other anti-Christian, anti-religious hate talkers have flourished saying inaccurate, untrue things that would not have never been accepted on "the left" if said about other groups can be found on the side column of Alternet.   This story is listed as #7 in its most read,  it is #5 of its most e-mailed, it is #1 of the most discussed.  Hate talk sells.  If you go on pushing the buttons to see what Alternet content is linked to on Reddit you'll find, "One-Third of Americans Under 30 Have No Religion -- How Will That Change the Country?" "Why are So Many Christians So Unchristian" and "Holy Freeloading! 10 Ways Religious Groups Take from the Public Purse"  by Valerie Tarico, another of Alternet's  in-house anti-religious specialists.   And they're not done there. Alternet hosts far more anti-religious content and bloggers, such as Bruce Wilson.   You can see more if you click on the tab marked "belief" to get a good idea of how Alternet generally presents religion, under the "Living" tab on their index bar.   For the people who run Alternet, hate sells.

Alternet may carry some useful content but it clearly is in the business of catering to bigots as surely as FOX is.  Unfortunately for the would-be left, the group they love to hate comprises the largest part of the population.  That is a political non-starter.  It is riding the crest of a fad for atheism which has been a minor fad and which will almost certainly not continue as a feature of a working left.  Anti-religious hate has been one of the major issues that has defeated the left in the period after the successes of the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s.   Hate has worked far better for the right, the goals of which are advantaged by hate. 

It might come as a surprise but I am of the opinion that there needs to be more informed criticism of Christian conservatives who I believe are misrepresenting the teachings of Jesus and those of his followers who knew him, something which is a serious and important obstruction of change in the direction of real American style liberalism.  It discredits one of the most potent forces for that change, Jesus advocated the most advanced of radical economics, far more radical than anything any Marxist has, and a far more radical egalitarianism than any secular group I'm aware of.  The anti-religious "left" generally devolves into either something which ends up aiding the far right or, as in the case of such people as Max Eastman, Christopher Hitchens and David Horowitz, they eventually join up with the far right.   Any atheist who wants to disavow the practices and the values of such people can, of course, disassociate themselves from them but that isn't done very often that I've ever seen.   I think it's way past time for religious liberals to do that with the fundamentalists.  We need to defeat the right wing abduction and misrepresentation of one of the greatest voices for truly radical change, Jesus.  Anti-Christians of the alleged left are enabling that misrepresentation for what boil down to quite similar goals.

It's up to religious liberals, those well versed in the record of what Jesus and his followers said to fight the "christian" right.   They are equipped to do that.  Anti-religious atheists have a long track record of failure on that account, as, indeed, they have in making much in the way of durable political progress.

A Secularist Takes The Truth Out of Addiction Treatment As A Condition of Parole

I've written about the alleged atheist alternatives to AA before and how they are largely a false front.  In this article posted on "Truthout" yesterday, a link to a familiar atheist "alternative" was posted.  It's one of the things I ran across during the desperate search for something that our brother would, possibly try since he rejected his last chance, AA on the basis of its alleged religiosity.   I looked and found there was still one "contact" listed, a name a half a state away from where he lived with no actual way to contact them.  

The articlem by Julie M. Rodriguez, was one of the many, many knock-off whines about an alleged wrong done to atheists by a majority religious society that are ubiquitous these days.  In this case it was a meth user who wanted to be paroled.

An atheist man from California is suing the state after he was jailed for failing to participate in a court-ordered 12-step drug addiction program in 2007. After serving time for methamphetamine possession, Barry A. Hazle, Jr., was told that he would have to attend a local, religiously-oriented organization as a condition of his parole.

Hazle, a lifelong atheist and member of several secular humanist groups, expressed his discomfort to his parole officer. But the answer wasn't what he was hoping for — he was told there were no alternative groups available. Despite his misgivings, Hazle attended the group as ordered. When he continued to raise objections about the nature of the program, he was arrested for violating his parole and sent back to state prison for another 100 days.

Unfortunately, this is an all too-familiar story for many who are struggling with addiction. If you've never been to Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, or a similar 12-step recovery program, you may not realize that these organizations are all, at their heart, deeply religious. While they don’t endorse any particular sect or denomination, 5 of the 12 steps explicitly require members to accept and acknowledge the existence of God.

I'm not certain that there is actually any right to parole.  There wouldn't seem to be but I'm no lawyer and I'd have to have one explain how, if it is a right, that so many people seem to be denied it on a regular basis. And I've never heard of anyone being paroled without making some kind of agreement to abide by conditions.  Oddly, the court case that she sites, doesn't mention parole but of prisoners who are ordered to attend religious meetings.  So I'd like to know how it applies to this case?  

I would assume Barry A. Hazle, Jr would have had to agree to the conditions of his parole, including the 12-step.  If he did agree to those terms, I can't see that he has a leg to stand on if reason is the basis.   He didn't like the program he agreed to.  Lots of addicts don't like rehabilitation, even the allegedly science based ones.  If the atheist alternatives were more than a false front operation, I'd bet you anything that there would be a large number of drop-outs, and non-compliance with its restrictions.  But, of course, those aren't available as even this biased article has to admit.

This wouldn't be a problem if secular alternatives to these programs were available for people struggling with addiction. That leads to another fact that may surprise you: by and large, few non-religious alternatives for drug and alcohol addiction exist. In many parts of the country, they’re not available at all.

Well, perhaps the self-appointed rationalist, considered the situation for a few minutes, she would realize there's a good reason for that,.   ATHEISTS AND OTHER "SECULARISTS" HAVEN'T STARTED AND MAINTAINED THOSE ALTERNATIVES.

There was no AA until it was begun by a couple of guys who, among other things, had a sense of religious obligation to do it.  It was originally influenced by a rather conservative religious movement but it quickly expanded its service to people of many different religious beliefs and, yes, even those who are non-religious. There are atheist members of AA who report it's worked for them.  There are even explicitly non-religious AA meetings.   There was a specifically secularist AA meeting a lot closer than the closest "alternative" in that list, two states away from where my brother lived. But, helpfully provided with just one more excuse to not stop, that "AA is religious,"  he wouldn't consider it. Most irresponsibly of all, Rodriguez repeats the popular atheist accusation - also popular among alcoholics who really don't need even more excuses to not stop -  that AA is a "cult".

The devotion some attendees display towards AA has even caused some to label the group a cult.

Well, if you want to talk about cults on that basis, most of the atheist membership organizations could be considered for inclusion on that list.   Look at how many people Madalyn Murray O'Hair suckered in to her own AA, American Atheists, with all of its sleaze and intrigue during her tenure as President For Life.  You could say the same about CSICOP during the Kurtz era.  Go look at the blog threads at the "Free Thought Blogs"  Especially the heavy hitters like PZ Myers, Ophilia Benson etc.  Not to mention the quite secular, if not actually atheist psychotheraputic cults.  My brother went to a psychiatrist for eight years, without it seeming to do him the least bit of good.  And that was on the basis of a medical referral.  If he had been "addicted" to the "cult" of AA instead of the very secular, very molecular-based ethyl alcohol molecule, if he hadn't given his life up to that higher power, he'd still be alive, with a job, a house, a car and a life.

I'm at a loss to understand the point of the article.   That atheists addicts get to have parole on their own terms? That the courts have to provide these atheist "alternative" groups that people they define as "religious" have provided on a private basis?  Or that it's just another excuse for whining and religion bashing?   What does Rodriguez imagine parole boards and courts are supposed to do with atheist addicts who want parole?   I know. I know.   I said I wasn't going to write anything this weekend but this one strikes too close to home to ignore it. I will be posting it to another blog that I began and then immediately let lapse.

It's Time To Call The New Atheists A Hate Group

Because that's exactly what they are. More on this theme soon.

Hands Off Those Who Are Mourning

They're still at it now that their good friends, the odious Phelps Cult, have decided to use the dead of Sandy Hook in their endless PR efforts.    Using the occasion to indiscriminately hate on all Christians -including those who are being deprived of their right to bury their dead in peace by the lazy fat-heads on the Roberts Court - the atheists are doing essentially the same thing.

I'm sure it's as great a comfort for them to be told they're superstitious and deluded by atheists as it is to have their places of worship and the sacred ground where they lay their loved ones used in the PR campaigns of other hate groups.

The right of people to bury their dead in the way which is meaningful to them is sacred, no one should presume to speak for them.   If the judges and "justices" and the ACLU are too stupid to be able to make the distinction between a "right" to spread hate, which can happen on any day of the year, in any place, and the ONLY occasion a family has to bury their dead, we need smarter judges and self-appointed champions of rights.    I'd point out that we need smarter atheists but if there are any they seem to be voluntarily restraining themselves from telling the loudmouthed morons among them to shut up.

No One With Any Decency Would Do It But Obviously Atheists Will

On the night that Dr. George Tiller was murdered, I was on Eschaton blog, where I used to hang out.   As soon as the news hit, the large number of assholish atheists who frequent that blog began to rage against Christians and religious folk in general, assigning responsibility for his murder to all religious people and Christians in particular.

Only if they'd bothered to read the news reports they'd have seen that Dr. Tiller was murdered WHILE HE WAS USHERING AT HIS REFORMED LUTHERAN CHURCH.   According to the congregated atheist assholes at that blog,  Dr. Tiller, as a member of a Christian church,  was responsible for his own murder, as were his friends and family and every other "Xian" in the world.   Having long since become fed up with atheist assholes, I pointed that out.  Needless to say, the correction wasn't appreciated.

When I went online today and saw that atheist assholes are using Adam Lanza in their rage against Christians and other religious people, I admit to being shocked.  Really, they have no shame, there is no lowest level to which they won't sink in their outrageous assholeish bigotry.    As many of the victims of that mass murder are prepared for funerals at churches and synagogues as many of their surviving victims will turn to their religious traditions to cope with an incomprehensible grief that any decent person would not interfere in or think of using, the asshole atheists are claiming the murdered children, teachers and others as their property, for their own use.

UPDATE: Looking around more, it's clear that a lot of gun nuts are trying to steal the bodies of the dead in Connecticut for their own purposes as well, leading to an often occurring alignments between the pseudo-Christian right and the materialist left.

The Public Forum Doesn't Belong to Atheists

If you cede public discourse to rude, obnoxious people in the hopes of discouraging incivility you're just ceding public discourse to people who like being rude and obnoxious.   Atheists who don't like to be rude and obnoxious seem to have ceded atheist discourse to them, I don't see any reason for religious people to let them have the rest of it.   

Atheists Believe they Own the Internet and the Left Just Like They Own Science

I don't know how many times, commenting on topic on a blog post or some other thing the atheists have hauled out the "you're a troll" mantra, one of those limited number of things they say instead of coming up with an argument or countering evidence.   If you're careful to be able to back up what you say when you argue with them, they'll always get back to that kind of stuff.

Hilariously, I've had many a clueless atheist mistake my far-left position as being evidence I'm a Republican.   Just this morning, in fact.   I'd never claim that most atheists were as Bright as so many of them believe themselves to be but, really, considering what most of what I say is quite far to the left of most of the blog atheists, it's kind of a hoot to be accused of really supporting the opposite of what I advocate.   It could lead someone to conclude they aren't very smart or that they're just basically dishonest.

Religious leftists have to assert themselves online and elsewhere or these dolts will remain the face of the left, turning away numbers many larger than they are.

On Hitler Supposedly Being a Christian

Blog atheists are notable for their habit of all saying a small number of limited things over and over again.  Usually they've gotten them from other atheists instead of directly from people who know what they're talking about.  One of those is the frequently repeated tape loop about Hitler and the Nazis being Christians.

In an argument on this point last week,  something occurred to me that I'd never considered before.  In the grim list of groups who were murdered by the Nazis there are Jews, Roma, disabled people, leftists, gay German men, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholic priests, especially Polish and Czechoslovakian priests and any others who opposed the Nazis,  The protestant Confessing Church, etc.  But there is one group relevant to that frequently made atheist canard, that the Nazis were a Christian phenomenon,  missing from that horrible list.

Atheists were not targeted by the Nazis for extermination or even suppression.

The Nazis violated the teachings of Jesus in the most obvious and fundamental ways.

They did not love God with all of their heart, soul, strength and mind and their neighbor as themselves 

They didn't do unto others as they would have done unto them.

They did not turn the other cheek when attacked.

They did not love their enemies and pray for them.

They did not act as good Samaritans.

They did not give to the poor and the destitute, the downtrodden of the world, they did their best to crush them into dust.   That is what the Nazis did to the least among them.

They lived by the sword and died by it, their dying by the sword was about the only part of Jesus's words they fulfilled.   The Nazis tried to gain the world and they lost their souls, as so many who merely profess Christianity without fulfilling its requirements do, even outside of that indisputably anti-Christian group.

Nazism was entirely compatible with atheism and the most profoundly religion hating atheists, as Martin Bormann's position in the Nazi hierarchy proves.  And he was far from the only atheist who was an enthusiastic Nazi.  There is nothing in materialism, the faith of most modern atheists, that was violated by the Nazis, there is everything about the gospels that they violated.  Their actions and words were entirely incompatible with the teachings of Jesus, his closest disciples, the Jewish prophetic tradition they were a part of and most of the history of Christian theology.  Clearly, being a serious Christian was far less compatible with being a Nazi than being a serious materialist, being an atheist doesn't seem to have conflicted with it at all.

Materialism has no ban against murdering people, singly or as a total genocide, it is absolutely against the gospel of Jesus to commit one murder or to refuse to give aid to people living in misery.   A materialist, acting with complete integrity with his beliefs, can kill people and refuse to help the helpless, a good Christian cannot. Trying to live by those teachings of Jesus listed above could get you imprisoned and killed by the Nazis,  especially those teachings against killing other people and doing justice.  The pacifism of the Jehovah's Witnesses was one of the things that brought them some of the severest treatment of any group under the Nazis.  Following the teachings of Jesus is what also got other religious people murdered.

A Nazi could possibly be convinced that killing and oppressing people is wrong from the teachings of Jesus found in the Gospels, there is nothing in atheism or materialism that could convince them to give up Nazism.    That is real life proof that Christianity is better than materialism and atheism.  That difference isn't unimportant.  That difference is real, it is conclusive, it means everything.  

Some Excuses Atheists Use To Be Assholes

Atheists, the whiny kind who are always gassing on about how oppressed they are have an odd way of defining what their oppression is.

Given that they assert they have a right to be rude and obnoxious jerks to religious people, the reciprocal right of people to be rude and obnoxious to them right back is taken as a tragic injustice.   Clearly, they think that some jerks are more equal than others and they're that kind of jerk.

They rage against the horrible wrong of having to endure the religious expression of the vast majority of the human population who are religious.   This is especially hilarious when they gas on and on about free speech and free thought as if those are the property of atheists.   They obviously believe it is the divine right of atheists to shut up the vast majority of the population.  Well, maybe not  a divine right, but one they hold is theirs.

In their desire to use the non-establishment clause in The Constitution they go well past the legitimate use of that to maintain a wall of separation between religion and the state to insisting it is a rule that covers all of life. Well, most of us life our lives outside of the confines of the governemt where that is a legitimate rule, we are under no obligation to separate religion from our lives, including our political activities.

This leads to one of the most absurd whines of recent years, that most people in some polls say they won't vote for an atheist.   Atheists whining about that often mention the "no religious test" clause in The Constitution.   Any brief and informed consideration of that will show that it is the executive, legislative and judicial branches that are forbidden to make a test of religion before someone can hold office, THAT RESTRICTION DOESN'T APPLY TO VOTERS.   Voters can and do decide who to vote for and who not to vote for and no one can tell them why they decide that.  One of the things that often makes them decide to not vote for someone is if they insult and offend them.   Atheists who want to change that might stop insulting religious people, the majority of VOTERS and to tell atheists who do insult them to go to hell,  so to speak.   But they'll have to admit that they do that or, quite likely, atheists who are assholes do that on their behalf.   You're not going to stop atheist assholery coming back to bite you.   Anyone who belongs to a genuinely targeted group can tell you that.

This is bound to turn into a continuing series about the excuses that atheists use to be assholes and why those are stupid and why people who make those excuses for themselves are stupid assholes.

Atheists Don't Own The Left

I'm a leftist of the liberal variety,  a gay, socialist, leveler who believes that equality is the most important of our political rights.    I've been visiting and reading blogs for more than a decade, now, and have been commenting on and writing for blogs almost as long.   I am also religious,  I believe in God and believe in the reality of moral obligations and the rights that are the absolute possession of people and other living beings.   My being a leftist instead of a selfish jerk motivated by self interest motivated my imaginary selfish genes is based in my religious convictions.

Anyone who has gone to many lefty blogs will have noticed that being religious often seems to be a minority point of view among liberals and leftists on the blogs.   That's not due to religious folks being scarce on the left.  Just as a matter of simple math, religious believers comprise between eight and nine out of ten members of the American public.  That means the left has to be mostly comprised of people who are religious.  It also means that if the left wants to convince people and expand, take sufficient numbers of public offices in order to gain power necessary to make our agenda law,  the people we need to convince are largely religious folks.

An anti-religious left is a left that will never gain power democratically,  not during our lifetimes or those of the next generation.   I will go so far as to say that I don't believe that they will ever gain power democratically, though they can take it un-democratically and have to disastrous results for the people they rule over and, in a far less serious way, the left here who have championed them.   There has been, by the way nothing liberal about the atheist dictatorships, no matter what they and their supporters have pretended and still pretend.   Trotsky was a vicious, homicidal ideologue who would have at least matched Stalin in ruthless slaughter if he'd gained power.   Few of their champions sitting in material comfort in western cities have opted to directly benefit from the various atheist paradises that they've waxed over so romantically.  The left that aspires to real progress should never have accepted them and their explicitly anti-democratic ideologies.   They've cost us an enormous price, politically and spiritually.   Without democracy, without an absolute belief in the reality of inherent rights and moral obligations, liberalism is meaningless, the far-"left" is, in fact, no different from the far right.

That's just by way of prelude to the fact that on most lefty blogs anti-religious jerks are a loud and, in many places, dominant voice.  And they are assholes, by and large, or near assholes who have no objection to their bigotry, their lies, their derision and divisiveness.   Among the targets of atheist assholes on the blogs are liberals and leftists who are Christians, the majority of the population of the United States and just about every other western democracy.   I suspect that Christians are the majority liberals and the left,  religious Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and others adding to the majority of the left which is religious.

Atheists who are assholes have done little to nothing in passing any of our agenda that has managed to make it into law, there aren't enough of them to do much of anything by themselves and their antics are more likely to lose the support of numbers larger than the small splinter group they comprise.  Even the Civil Rights Act that  made atheists a fully covered minority under the law, even as other groups were excluded, was passed by religious legislators, with the force of religious liberals pushing behind it.   If atheists had had to rely on the massively obnoxious Madalyn Murray O'Hair, it never would have won passage and been signed into law.  The fact is that it was Reverend Martin Luther King jr and groups such as the Southern Christian Leadership Conference  who have had a major part in making whatever progress we have made in the area of civil rights.  In the recent victory we had in passing marriage equality in my state of Maine, the support of religious denominations and congregations was vitally important.   Atheists who wanted to attack them on my behalf could have divided the progressive side and lost the vote.

As assholes among atheists have pushed their way to the fore since the mid-1960s, political progress has halted.

If the left is going to make progress it will have to marginalize or dump anyone who is more interested in their divisive obnoxiousness and attention getting than they are in winning people over, making alliances with our nearest allies and doing the hard work of presenting a united force for positive change.  There is nothing positive, nothing unifying in atheist assholes who have taken over so many blogs and other media allegedly of the left.  Not all atheists are assholes but the ones who aren't have been mostly silent in face of this barrage of atheist assholism.  I used to encourage them to speak up but they're either in agreement with their being assholes or they're too timid to call them on it.  I'm not waiting anymore.

I'll go into detail on this blog on why I don't think most atheists really belong on the left, which I've become convinced is the reason they've proven to be so useless to making progress over the past century and a half.